house. maybe donald trump would not because he's such an out the box president. i don't see him being against pawn manafort. >> is that what are you suggesting? >> listen, the presidential power of klclemency, there is a part in there of the idea o of -- there are things that a president can do. manafort committed real crimes and the president's team has to look at this of what it really is. >> this question of whether he tugt have known each other, this is laid out with someone with that level of sophistication, as i believe an attorney is someone who ought to have known better, not just in the few of pr