republican party. some people look at someone like nikki haley, who, as you mentioned, has done a great job of straddling that divide and being critical of trump where it's warranted and yet they wonder when a nikki haley speak to the kind of primary voter that is happy with president trump and excited with president trump. in other words, does the trump populism last beyond trump. >> she is a traditional conservative though, right? >> she is. but if you watched her even before the trump strags, he shas been macking it critical to talk about his policies but not making it too much about his behavior. and that's the divide a lot of these traditional conservatives are trying to straddle. additionally, i think a lot of republicans don't yet know or don't yet really believe that trump has fundamentally changed the party.