shooting in ferguson or the martin luther king investigation that rena's ag office did through the civil rights division even though there was grand jury material, what happened was, the prosecutors and the grand jury went to the federal judge and said, who is in charge of the grand jury, we feed some -- to be able to reloo es the special grand jury material the 6e materials we call it. the judge says yes. then they write a report and they release it in the public interest. so he has wide latitude to do that, should he choose to do so and there will be obviously a lot of public pressure to do in this case. >> glen, what the rules say are very different from what a lot of americans think in much of keeping what cynthia said. we hear from people all the time. we want to know what the president did. what the mueller investigation found out the president did. because it speaks directly to our democracy. it might have much to do with donald trump and his character than the safeguards and our