anyway. he has no life jacket. he's got no cooperation agreement with the southern district of new york or mueller team and not getting a pardon for donald trump. i think that actually makes his testimony even more credible and if you believe what he's saying, it's very damming for the president and it gives us the responsibility to put back in place the rule of law in our country, which is a wrecking ball taken to it in the last two years. >> do you expect this "wall street journal" report will lead to a new series of questions for michael cohen the next time you speak to him? it's going to be at the intelligence committee behind closed doors. >> the issue of whether the president is offering pardons or whether there are discussions is something that we should definitely run to ground and explore not just with michael cohen because i think there are other witnesses who are similarly situated who the president is probably done this with and of course, showing that he has no loyalty to the pardon process when he gave sheriff joe arpaio without a background check. that's something we need to