it is very controversial. there's been a lot of pushback. do the allegations that you've heard though from those who say they were abused by michael jackson square with what you know? >> i'm very pleased that the documentary is out, it's telling the story of these two young men who say they were victims. of course, it's not just these two. it's jordy chandler who, as you point out, i represented briefly in the 1990s. he was the first accuser. i will never forget him. there were others in 2005 and since then. what everybody was up against all the time is what we're seeing now, the celebrity culture and the real worship of michael jackson and the people who just do not want to believe that this icon could ever do something wrong. even though after he was accused multiple times of molesting little boys, he would still bring them to neverland and sleep with them in the same bed. i mean, i thought it was appalling at the time, and i still do. i'm glad other people are now seeing that. >> lisa, i want to play a little bit more of the documentary and