it's so much like 2016 when i said 2016 was not about trump, it was about hillary clinton. you ask why they support donald trump and they talk about democra democrats. they don't talk about donald trump. it's like i don't want this person to be president, i don't want that person to be president. those people don't understand me, they're from another world. it's this disconnect that somehow this manhattan billionaire, supposed billionaire, has figured out how to connect on with people in middle america and democrats still aren't. >> joe, i don't disagree with that assessment. i think it's fairly accurate. nor do i disagree with michael claiming and legitimately so that the state of the economy has a lot to do with those numbers that we just read. there was a blizzard of numbers there. i think, though, there's a little something larger going on and i think what it is is those numbers that we just read at