because he was 100% trashing trump and especially on the collusion he didn't see collusion. so he wasn't 100% trashing the president and that made him more credible on the new things that he did bring to the table which was the news here that there had been hush money payments and not just one, that were made throughout the entire course of this presidency. he also suggested that there is another separate criminal investigation going on at the sdny. he said there were things he couldn't talk about and tantalizingly, he mentioned the final conversation with trump as something that was in that scope and that he couldn't talk about. >> that was that, matt, and we have this story that maybe it's a pardon that they're doing. let me ask this. impeachable? is he john dean? john dean brought the end of the nixon presidency. did michael cohen? >> not in that particular -- look, i agree with you guys. he's a liar and you have to know this and take that at face value. i thought -- and i agree with peggy nooning on this. it was the portrait of the