are two different things. we have to lay out for the american people, and we can't depend on the mueller investigation for this. the mueller investigation, number one, we don't know when it's ending despite lots of rumors. number two, it's focused on specific crimes and we have to focus much more broadly. on abuses of power. >> reporter: well, there you have it, alex. he makes a distinction on crimes and impeachment. we've heard that a lot and we'll hear it more in the next coming weeks. impeachment is a political process. whether a president should be impeached or not is up to the elected representatives. meanwhile, democrats over the course of the last several days from leadership on down have been playing down the possibility of impeachment. nadler says impeachment is, quote, a long way down the road if it's going to happen at all. >> i think he's right on that. >> joining me now, washington