turn on him. >> what was the breaking point at which you decided to start telling the truth? >> helsinki, charlottesville, watching the daily destruction of our civility to one another. and i can only warn people, the more people that follow mr. trump, as i did blindly, are going to suffer the same consequences that i'm suffering. >> tony schwartz, ceo of the energy project is the author of "the way we're working isn't working." >> you got it. >> nice to have you back. >> thank you. >> build on what you were telling us here. >> i just had michael cohen evoke for me that experience of, i'm going to just state it a slightly different way. you understand, tony, right? you understand? it was literally a wink, because he lived this public life, even when he wasn't really a public figure. which is, how's this going come