questions aren't going to get us the answers we need, particularly when they're coming to five-minute segments. >> you've clearly watched a congressional hearing before. mimi, what will you be looking for in terms of what you need in order to feel that michael cohen is credible? >> look, everyone should be skeptical of michael cohen. democrat, republicans, no matter where you fall politically, be skeptical of michael cohen. he's a liar. but he was not out there telling lies on his own. he was doing this, as far as i can tell, and this is what i think needs to be probed. was he doing this with and on behalf of other people, including trump? or was he just this rogue person out there, you know, doing -- telling lies his whole career? i'm not just talking about in his congressional testimony. so i think anyone who tries to paint him as anything other than a liar is doing a disservice. they have to own that. he has to own that and show us why now his motivations are different. that's what it comes down to. what are his motivations now to