report before we decide to proceed in other areas, whether it's impeachment or other investigation. it may turn out these details that michael cohen is providing actually provide a basis by which one might say that this president is unfit and unqualified to be in the white house. >> it's a great point. and peter's colleagues and you and everyone covering this ha z always reported the giuliani strategy hinged on one thing, volume. they need to do a volume business of crisis, of cover-up, of characters. this will be one man and one story that, as i said, peter baker wrote as clearly as anybody the weekend after the cohen sentencing memo came out, basically the southern district of new york sponsored the information that donald trump ran a cover-up scheme that impacted the election. got pretty clear allegation of campaign finance violations. >> and i hope i think for the credibility of michael cohen but