we do know that the potential prison exposure for paul manafort runs as high as 24 years and for somebody of paul manafort's age, that's pretty much tantamount to a live sentence. we wonder whether or not donald trump is still perhaps looking at paul manafort for a possible presidential pardon, but we also know that the new york state attorney general's office just a few days ago announced that it has a contingency plan. its insurance policy is that they are preparing state, tax and other fraud-related charges for paul manafort on the off chance that trump does give him a pardon. >> in a new article in the atlantic, there were omissions. manafort was not charged with conspiring with russia, but if mueller does have evidence of conspiracy, why wasn't it included in that filing? >> i know a lot of people were let down about that, phillip. listen, even i was interested to see what the mueller team would be willing to disclose.