the national interests provide for something greater, how mueller and bar will negotiation that tension is unclear. >> you were number three i think -- >> well no, but where would you come down on this? >> i feel like no matter where you sit on this we all have to see it warts and all. we cannot leave it up to interruptati interpretation. >> totally, barr recognizes that, he says even if it provides for something brief and bare bones he will go as big as he can. national security stuff, grand jury material, that could potential i will be going over. even if it didn't, you want to assume that the information will be outed. it is like 9/11, or the kennedy