intellectually and use numbers that aren't true and stick with facts that aren't facts. i think that you know, certainly there are concerns on the part of people who work for him about his capacity in that sense. i've never heard any solid reporting that there are members of the cabinet who are willing to go that far. >> okay, but john, this whole discussion about a 25th amendment, how much does this fan the narrative of deep state plot to take down the president? >> a little, but the fact of the matter is that i think we should do one thing and understand when mccabe and rosenstein were talking about this, this is appropriate. the lawyers particularly in the case of assistant attorney general in a moment of what is seen by. people as crisis or possible crisis, have a responsibility to discuss options. it is -- we don't know the how far it went. we don't know a lot of details. but that discussion of options