but, again, once you have that challenger in there making points -- and bill weld is a good public speaker. he's got a sharp tongue. he's experienced. two terms winning as governor in massachusetts. other losing races, but he's been out there on the trail. this guy's too liberal to be nominated by the republican party. but he's a good opponent for trump if in fact he runs. >> what happens for never trumpers? for republicans who have foresworn donald trump or who want some other solution but they'd like a republican, they'd like maybe a conservative candidate, what's the best scenario, a bunch of guys, a bunch of people like william weld getting into the race or one? >> well, it can happen. nixon in 1972 had a conservative congressman run against him, republican congressman josh ashbrook and a liberal republican congressman, who was anti-war. he had shots coming at him from both sides. it's possible that that will happen, but it's also possible that trump will end up with a minor opponent who will end up