interviewed by mueller. >> if they have not already. >> if they haven't been there. >> joyce, we were talking a lot lately about the coordination of lies told about contacts with russians. we've spent a lot of this week analyzing mueller's, one of his top deputies, andrew weissmann's comments that we learned about in a transcript from a closed-door hearing, the contacts between trump's campaign officials and russians or russian associates, are the heart of the special counsel's investigation. it would seem on the other side of your investigation is the obstruction of justice investigation, which we haven't heard as much about lately but at the heart of that probe, a prosecutor involved in that prong of it might describe this trump tower meeting cover-up. the lies crafted aboard air force one as john heilemann just did, the heart of the obstruction probe. do you agree with that? >> i agree with that 100%. there would be no reason to craft lie around this meeting.