groups sued in remain in mexico policy. they've won on a lot. they've won to reunite parents with their children and the asylum ban. i guess it keeps things in the public consideration. i know this summer there was a calculation made when they realized they could get kavanaugh or anyone of that to swing the supreme court in that direction more conservative. they thought they could be a little more -- you could call it reckless, bold, to push these things they knew would be at a district level but could perhaps come through on their side in the supreme court. the place they might have it wrong is they could reign in executive privilege. >> i think she's got exactly right. that's the calculation this white house has had in play for some time. >> let us bring in barry