he helped force the issue of health care to the forefront of last year's congressional campaigns. he was a major strategist of that. he is the executive director of the indivisible project. they are both joining us now. professor goolsbee, strangely the national debt is the only thing that donald trump is building in his presidency. >> yeah. look, he's building up some other debts, too, but the thing that's hard to wrap your head around is if you take the tax cut, it's even bigger than $1.5 trillion. that was the official price tag, but now we see it's more than $2 trillion, okay? so if you have something like 50,000 -- >> austan, let me just stop you on that. so you're saying that the original estimate when the cut was being legislated was about $1.5 trillion, but now in actual practice, which often happens, they're discovering the