it's going to be if you get convicted, so you might want to consider making a deal. >> interesting. we appreciate your independent view of it for that reason. jason johnson, your view not as a legal expert but in the whole pyrotechnics of this which is what you get when you go roger stone, this is a classic kick in the door moment. >> yes. >> your view of how this is playing out as stone tries to make that the story? >> stone is always going to say i was abused, this is excessive, this is terrible but it really wasn't. one, in the larger context of things, independenocent people been shot in these kinds of raids. the fact that he walked out with both of his hands working, wasn't smashed in the streets suggests to me this is fine. he's a 60-year-old man. this isn't lex luther. i don't think you need 26 cops to bring this guy in. perhaps -- and i'm not a federal prosecutor -- that's part of why you do it. you do want to intimidate people and frighten future people to