is that blackmail and extortion tends to mean i have something that's embarrassing to you. pay me money. >> got it. >> here, ami is not asking for money. they're asking for a statement from the bezos party that might be financially valuable to them. they're asking for information. one level, this is basically informational warfare. we won't embarrass you with photos. don't embarrass us by talking about the trump white house with saudi arabia. underlying this, it is all about money. >> the attorney yesterday on abc also contended that this wasn't, in fact, extortion. this was journalism. you're a big "j" journalist. how does that strike you? >> this is not journalism. it is a mafia organization. they happen to own a newspaper. it is a black mirror form of journalism. for investigative reporters to find out important information about famous people, then selling back that information to the famous people they reported