the people asking fairly straightfoo dl straightforward questions. i suppose we should note that, rather than just ignore it stay with us, i want to bring in neil ko kochal who served at high levels in the justice department. and play for you some segments. >> have there been any discussions at the department about pardons? >> since i've been acting attorney general i've not been involved in any discussions of any pardons. >> did you ever create, direct the creation of, see or become aware of the existence of any documents relating to pardons of any individual? >> i am aware of documents related to pardons of individuals, yes. >> one of those moments where a good question forces him under oath to actually figure out if he is. this comes as we're learning a