in some of these cases. in the situation where you are, there a way that groups outside of the government sphere can finds these children somehow find their parents and put them back together? >> we'll try. but without the information from the government, it's going to be very, very difficult. one of the things out of the hearing today is that the reason hhs is saying besides they don't want to do all the work, that they think it's not good for the child, not because they don't think it should be with the parent. so what they fell back on today at the hearing was we don't want i.c.e. showing up at all these kids' homes. but that's not the way it would have 2350 be done. we would call the parent, call the child's lawyer or social