the reason i think it's probably more is there was an extraordinary moment during the manafort hearing, rick gates testified. he was trump's deputy campaign manager. then he ran the fundraising for the inauguration. he was asked on the stand, did you steal money from the inauguration committee? rick gates said, i might have. >> and that raised some red flags for you. >> of course, of course. >> why? >> because mueller's not going to let that go. it's someone who may have committed a crime. he did farm it off to the southern district. he said, that's not part of my collusion/obstruction investigation. if there's a crime going down that the fundraiser for the inaugural committee might have been involved in committing, again, that needs to be investigated. >> chuck? >> oh, i agree with paul. i've always thought that what the southern district of new york was doing was if not more interesting, at least more threatening to the president. that's where the money is. what mueller's doing is incredibly important. don't get me wrong.