decrease a little bit. so the issue is where's the money coming from? now, yes, as a stock boy or as a professor at the university of pennsylvania, i get my insurance, my employer sponsors it but it basically is coming out of my salary in a hidden way as a fringe benefit. so if you went to medicare for all, that money that's really coming out of my salary would have to be transferred to the government and then the government would dole it out, as you point out, either to doctors and hospitals through traditional medicare or to insurance companies and doctors and hospitals through medicare part c. i think it's important to distinguish one is how the money changes but the fact is it's not going to be more money, it just going to be which ledger is it on. is it on the tax ledger or on the employment fringe benefit measure? >> can we afford medicare for