tape of mr. stone suggesting destroying evidence, he is now indicted on tampering with witnesses' testimonial evidence. what do you think of that exchange and the really unique relationship between these two men. this is not a coffee boy. this is not a rhando. >> this is a relationship that has gone on for 40 years. it's obviously very deep. you don't attend someone's parents' funeral unless you're close. so it gives me that same reaction i think that neera has to this notion that trump hasn't considered a pardon, and i would take it even a step further and say when your response, when you're asked whether you would give them a pardon and your answer is well, no, i think his defense is doing pretty well on its own. and when ultimately that person's crimes involve you, this is just a remarkable thing, and we've become so numb to what this president does over and over again that that's almost passed without comment. we shouldn't let it pass without comment.