recordings. roger stone was crucial to him for many years. so this may well get to the root of the problem. >> and they also asked him about roger stone, by the way, to which the point the president said dillen, he said, well, roger stone didn't have that major of a role. he's like stone, rolling stone, i don't know a stone. these two men, he didn't say no stone. he didn't have that big of a role in his campaign. how big of a role did he have in his campaign? >> roger was his main guy in the beginning. and it was as you've seen by trump's world a very small world of people he trust and they cycle in and out. roger cycled out actually very quickly after the very first republican primary debate. and roger and him had a falling out where roger claimed he quit and trump said he fired him. so in that regard, they did split in direct contact working together in that same way. but then shortly after roger was integral in installing paul manafort the main person with the russia connections they're looking into.