those things? >> joy, i don't think there is an innocent explanation. i do think there was a plot to hijack the presidency. my problem is with mueller's actions. is this accumulation of evidence and indictments and why doesn't he have the -- to just start indicting the president? because if there is some reliance on that doj policy, then take it to court. that is what the supreme court's for. they have never decided this issue. maybe it's about time. >> last -- >> what is the hold up? >> last word to you paul butler. >> i can answer that. >> oh. quickly, answer it, malcolm, because i will give paul the last word. >> it's very simple, you're talking about going after the president of the united states for potentially being an asset of a foreign government and have elected to the presidency on conspiracy with that foreign government. look, when you come after the president, you take that shot, you best not miss. >> yeah. the last word to you on this,