media or political world defi defined. >> right. >> take a look at perot in '92. he was the spoiler and caused bush his second term. there was an element vote in '92 that you would identify with happy candidates. perot was against -- you can see it again in 2020. the deficit, the national debt, perot ran on that. it was a democratic '92. he lost in the primaries. that was his signature. perot is bringing in a lot of suburban nights. when you get an independent candidacy that gets traction, it can draw as perot did as from different pockets. >> everybody on your screen had