that nothing bad has happened yet. but what you're describing is really almost like what steve bannon articulated which was dismantling the state. >> yes. >> they have had some success, unfortunately, in doing that, and you know, what's your sense of what would happen if we had a real crisis? >> so, the problem is, and i hear a lot of people say, like, if a real crisis happens, this will rally people around trump. >> no, they say he'll act normal. he's never acted normal before. how do you know he'll act normal? >> he won't because this is normal for him. this behavior that's erratic and insane and i think at this point if something terrible were to happen, i say this as somebody who's getting on the flight to go to the super bowl, which is a national security event, this country will not rally around this president. they'll blame him. they'll see the government shutdown. >> that's a great point. i don't want to let that sound go, because the president named brennan, clapper, hayden, comey, mccabe, strzok, page.