people in the trump orbit in the early part of the administration who went before the chairman, who thought they could get away with lying, there was a huge notion around a lot of those people who apparently didn't think the democrats could take back control of the house two years later, that this would be an ongoing thing they thought they could walk in because of who was in the white house. it's not just don jr., because liaring up because this committee is going back to potentially press charges. don jr. is the biggest fish in that group other than the president himself. there's a lot of feeling in the legal community and paul could speak to, it's almost inevitable, given the number of places he touches the investigation, whether it's on this trump tower moscow thing or meeting at trump tower, with the russians in 2016 in the early part of the summer, he touches some very crucial developments, very crucial episodes at which if there is this giant conspiracy, either where you can