bureau chief and presidential lie tracker, one of our favorites. this why seems to be the conversation about ties to russia has landed after friday's indictment of roger stone. we know they lied. we know they were having mountains of communications with russians, which is just weird. you have covered a lot of presidential campaigns there's no reason for that why seems to be the living question. >> it is the question over all of this and gets to the question we still don't know the answer to, what is the core at this is there a case, genuinely large, broad scale case that robert mueller will lay on the table eventually, and the answer to why will be the ultimate determinant of whether there's a conspiracy or not. there's a theory many people, serious, sober people in legal circles who are critics of the president who put forward that, it is plausible all of these people are a, liars, b, saying what trump wants to hear, recognizing some potential
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