2004 democrats trying to find an opponent to george w. bush joe leishman, and he was number one at this point and a very tenuous number one, but keep in mind, look who was in the cellar it was howard dean and howard dean surged and was the front-runner briefly and didn't get the nomination and someone sitting way back in the pack right now and certainly plenty of time and an opportunity to catch fire >> and very briefly, steve, we saw in 2016 in particular third-party candidates had a big percentage, more than 5% of the vote in that very narrow race decided by 77,000 votes in three key electoral states so what about will the effect that a third-party candidate self-financed howard schultz could have particularly for democrats? >> the reaction for howard schultz has been one of frustration and public