negotiations with the hill and quite optimistic he could do some expansive immigration deal. a lot of skeptics in the white house, and the skeptics were proven correct. >> i'm going to pause you. we have some details on that, because as you point out, kushneral role in the failed shutdown negotiations was important. the "new york times" reports kushner agreed to take the lead on the talks after the president asked him to find a way to end the stalemate. kushner told colleagues he believed public opinion would shift against speaker pelosi and she would emerge from the debate appears unreasonable and against this without congressional approval instead pushing him towards the short-term deal he agreed to on friday. the "times" reports since then the plaed been frustrated at everyone around him for not delivering a deal he can accept and wary of his son-in-law's advice on this issue jonathan to pick up on what you were talking about