building. >> i think that's an incredible moment. it also is an example of how people were feeling i think all over the country. there were so many stories of families really trying to cobble together their last penny. you had this increasing feeling that the people that were part of the administration, including billionaire cabinet members, they didn't understand what were going on. wilbur ross' statements that he didn't understand why federal workers would go to food pantries i think really took the air out of a lot of people's lungs. there's been a growing gap between the rich and the poor in this country for a long time. it was really on display in that moment. i think him losing it on the senate floor was really a lot of americans saying, we can't take this anymore. >> i think it speaks to the fact that no one wins in a government shutdown. yes, everyone is saying the analysis is that the president caved and pelosi showed how strong she was. that's the politics. the american people don't feel that way. they are scratching their heads. they are wondering what all of this pain was for and frankly how it can be prevented.