he felt that his family was in danger >> yeah, actually, it doesn't matter whether it works or not even the attempt alone is enough so even if the person stands firm and decides to go through with it anyway, what the person did to try to intimidate them, to persuade them not to testify is itself a completed crime. >> when you look at this indictment today, barb, obviously one of the things that jumped out for me is that it appears that mr. stone had never had any contact with the special counsel's office before this indictment today he was charged with lying to congress and with witnessing -- tampering with a witness who could potentially undo the allegedly false cover story that he gave to congress. that really leapt out to me in terms of how this fits in overall. what seems important to you about this >> well, i think that the language in the indictment that talks about the senior campaign official being directed to have these communications, i think as you pointed out suggests very strongly that that is only a select few of possible