they're going to be on to you. the reality is, his policies have been so pro-russian and so destructive of our alliances. if that explanation is compromised, it needs to be exposed. >> all right, joining me now, evelyn, former deputy assistant defense secretary for russia and howard, an msnbc news analyst. great to have both of you with us. evelyn, how revealing are trump's words in light of this new buzzfeed report because every time something like this comes out, even telling, you know, supposedly telling his own lawyer to lie about his dealings with russia, every time a bombshell comes us, it makes us go back and look at what president trump has said about russia and vladimir putin in a slightly different context. >> i mean, i think, amon, first of all, words matter. so, we all get in the habit of dismissing what president trump says, but he was candidate and then president and what he said about russia mattered. now, actions are more important,