was talking polling information, needed -- owed derepaska $19 million. why wouldn't the president or giuliani say we had nothing to do with what paul manafort did? he was on his own? all we've heard them say about manafort from the president, he's a really good guy who doesn't talk. >> i think because the ground is literally shifting beneath their feet in this investigation. you know, look, giuliani has told our colleague this was an inadvertent slip. but he also stood by it. he said i can only speak for the president. i can't speak for the campaign. there's a giant joint defense agreement. rudy giuliani is learning from other lawyers what wimtnesses are telling the mueller grand jury and mummer so he's learning potentially where other people are incriminalitied and perhaps he feels like he can't say any more that members of the campaign -- and we've already got the public evidence that manafort was turning over polling information to essentially a russian intelligence operative so clearly the line that nobody in