>> yeah. i think when you've got someone in the position of power of the president of the united states who makes forceful statements criticizing those who would come forward with information, that can be seen as witness intimidation. i don't know that it goes so far as the crime of obstruction of justice when he makes those statements because it's so open and notorious, but imagine if you are the person on the receiving end of those kinds of statements, you can't help but feel a little cowed by those statements. instead, what most presidents say, what most leaders say is i welcome the investigation. i encourage your quest for the truth and people should share information fully because i am not afraid of the truth. and i will be completely exonerated. that's not what this president does. chi think is what causes people to become even more suspicious. so i think the democrats are within their rights to suggest to him that he ought to stand down so that they can continue their work to find the truth. >> i think that's a powerful point you make about being unafraid of the truth. and katie, i want to turn to