chairman for president trump be providing what must have been internal poll data? why do i say must have been? the russians don't need to get public poll data from manafort, they can read that in the newspapers. so here's this kind of proprietary poll data going to a russian that everyone believes is at least connected to the gru, but in looking at his bio, i think he might have been a gru officer at one time. and what would the expectation be? he's not going to go home and stick the polling data on his refrigerator. he's going to do something with it. so imagine, let's play that out. you now are armed with where trump's doing well, where he's doing poorly, what's the expectation, what's going on while this is all happening? the social media campaign, the hacking into the dnc. who did that, brian? the russian gru. this is all coming together now. >> joyce vance, is this, indeed, the most vivid evidence yet of let's call it cooperation with russians? >> i think we're getting very close to a conspiracy, but it's always really important to say