federal employees are often gotten their back pay. they get that. these folks not so much. so i'm working with my colleagues to try to fix that so that they don't have to bear the brunt of being bargain be chips in this shutdown. >> so without legislation they won't be paid? >> no. there's no -- anything currently in place that would make sure that these folks get paid. >> so i'm sure, senator, you don't have much more visibility into the republican side than we do. but as you know, 60 senators voted for the continuing resolution. there are three or four who are somewhat vulnerable and talking about getting something done here. do you see any cracks really on the senate republican side, enough cracks at some point mitch mcconnell might go to the president and say game over, we have to do a deal here or do you think they stick with the president? >> i don't have any great insight into the republican caucus. i do know that my colleagues like corey gardiner and susan collins are hearing the same