but is it accumulating for you to the point that you're running out of patience? >> government shutdowns are never good policy. and we have had them in the obama administration. we've had them in president trump's administration. we should always get the appropriation bills signed into law before the start of the fiscal year so that neither side can use the threat of a shutdown or the reality of a shutdown as a political weapon. >> okay. but i guess -- what is your level of satisfaction with how the president is conducting himself in office? that's where i'm getting. are you losing patience with his conduct? >> well, i'm frustrated in the situation that we've gotten to this point where both sides appear to be intransigent. it's not a sign of weakness to try to figure out a middle ground. and i think that both sides need