yes, let's get the government open and we can have a bigger fight for the rest of the funding anyway. that was coming whether or not you got $5 billion or more. i support getting $5 billion. i support getting more. but let's get the government open. >> senator gardner interviewed by the extremely garrett haake on capitol hill. >> our lead-off panel, jonathan allen, happens to be co-author of "shattered," the story of the hillary clinton presidential campaign. jill colvin, white house reporter for the associated press, and josh gernstein. welcome to you all. jill, let me take you to the rose garden event this afternoon. do they seem, this is the white house writ large, to understand either the actual gravity of this going on too long, or even just the superficial optics, the damage of this going on for too long? >> no. at this point it really doesn't seem like they do. the president still believes that this is a winning issue for him. and you saw him standing out there, you know, twice in the