for decades in new york. so, in that sense, he may be enjoying it and may be very comfortable. >> it's also the case, chris,s that it's kind of unburdening if you don't care about the functioning of government to play out the tabloid spectacle that mona's describing. >> it's exactly right. senator van hollen explained it well. there are 800,000 federal workers who are furloughed or working without pay. you've got countless other government contractors who won't get paid. it's the government services that aren't being provided. it's not only the national parks that are now overflowing with garbage, apparently, and you've got home loans, farm loans, not going out the door. passpo passport applications being slowed down. look, most of what happens in government isn't partisan. >> right. >> you would hope that regardless of party, you would want to make sure that government works effectively. that's why any of us come in to public service. the fact he has so little disregard for this that he's willing to basically sink a