and number two, that a border wall is the best way to deal with it. on that first point, statistics indicate that there has been an uptick in apprehensions at the southern border. according to border protection, nearly 62,000 people were detained in november, the highest monthly figure since 2017. but there is a bigger issue out there that the president and his legislation rarely talk about. because the majority of people who are in this country illegally didn't sneak across the border or climb over a wall, they have actually come in legally but have overstayed their visas. 6 million people overstayed their visas in 2017, double the amount who were arrested at the border that same year. i want to go to washington now. msnbc's hans nichols is at the white house. what do we know about this