and that story, it's so hard with the trump administration, which does a volume business of extreme politics and policy on immigration. >> when you prosecute the parents for coming in illegally, which should happen, you have to take the children away. >> it's so hard to really explain how that story was different, but there were babies, there were children, there were young people whose lives will never be the same because of a terribly executed, cruel policy. >> there was a cruelty to it, and i think it crossed over for a good many people. >> i mean, the pictures were as disturbing or more disturbing than the story and there was that day that the undercover audio files got out. and i was on the air when that came out. it was a propublica report. >> this is what the white house is going to have to answer for. [ children crying ] >> if you're a parent, if you're