billion. this one long-term will cost taxpayers more, and this is going to be increased interruption in services and taxpayers are going to be feeling that. the president is misjudging his leverage. his leverage was two weeks ago. he's losing it every day. and i think there's not going to be any support, and no one wins with a shutdown, but the president definitely loses. he said he was going to shut down the government. he shut down the government. he owns this. and taxpayers are going to hold him responsible. >> you mentioned the misjudgment. the question becomes who can actually set the record straight? alaina, democrats say that part of the problem is this mixed messaging. it's coming from the white house. and the president won't actually commit to a deal even as sources told nbc news that vice president pence floated this $2.5 billion figure that. that's down from the $5 billion. that was offered to schumer over
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