is this a smoking gun? >> it could be. if nothing else, it is a link between paul manafort and the russian oligarch who is himself a link directly to the russian government. and what it means is at best, at best for trump, this is a situation where trump knew nothing about it, but paul manafort may have agreed to provide intel on the american campaign to russians in an effort to work off some of his astronomical debt, which ran in the millions of dollars. so the question arises, what kind of information is worth writing off a debt of millions of dollars? >> not only what kind of information, but is this a quid pro quo. is this proof, for example, that manafort may have actually used his role in the trump campaign to curry favor with russia? >> well, it certainly smells like it, doesn't it?