reveals about how policy is created in the trump white house? >> well, i think it is very -- it is a very confused process. the other thing kelly said was he seemed to backtrack a bit on the diction of the word wall, which in a way plays into what pelosi said when she joked more accurately that trump would be happy with a beaded curtain. and, so, the messaging seems awry. the policy doesn't seem very organized. it's just going to be an amazing thing to watch trump negotiate with nancy pelosi, who is one of the master negotiators, even republicans will admit that, in american politics. >> the question becomes what is the solution for something like this? especially when we go back to the reason for the shutdown. what is the answer? is it providing more resources at these intake sessions? what, according to your thoughts, based on what the secretary said needs to happen. >> obviously, in order to make the border more secure, there will have to be additional funding for resources at the