they've been told that we have trillions of dollars of credit card debt, student loan debt, all these things where what's the shoe that's going to drop here if it's not the housing thing that it was in '08. >> corporate debt. >> and this is starting to feel like '07 right now, and it really -- >> let me put on my macroeconomic head for a second and just say, there's reasons to think we're not on the precipice similar to 2007, lots of worrying things happening particularly with corporate debt. and the end of -- >> one that's not the same is that if you're booted out of your house, that's a serious issue. they can't take back your college education that you're not paying them back for. >> yeah. >> you can't declare it in bankruptcy either. >> yeah. >> what are the things that you're -- if the idea is that you want to see democrats put things on the agenda, you want to see people -- i think a hard thing to do, and an important thing to do is for people's civic activism to remain high, right? running for office, still working in a year that's not like the midterms, everything is built towards that, what do you