money for his fence altogether rather than give the department of homeland security a year of funding at the same level as last year." i'm joined now by democratic congressman john garamendi of california and christian whiteman is a former senior adviser to presidents trump and bush. thank you both for being with us. christian, let me start with you. it has to do with the reporting we were showing from liberal groups now telling house democrats hey, no money at all. this $1.3 billion that democrats had previously been willing to sign off on for what they say would be fencing along the border, they say not a wall but fencing, now you've got liberal groups including the aclu saying, hey democrats, offer nothing, not even that. it gets to what david frum -- i don't know if you were listening -- said in our last segment. he was basically saying trump ultimately doesn't have any leverage in this. he's going to have to keep backing down. do you agree with that assessment? >> no, i think he does have leverage. because he has a pretty good issue on his side. it's fun to play the blame game of who's at fault for closing the government.